V-44X Blackfish

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October 2nd, 2019, 8:30 am

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October 2nd, 2019, 8:21 am
How is the Blackfish the earliest to see? How does the blackfish radar signature differ from the other air vehicles, excluding stealth variants.
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Lastly, the Blackfish's extremely large dimensions make it undisputedly the worst when it comes to remaining hidden from electronic sensors. With an extremely high base RCS rating, it can be detected on radar at 180% (160% on infrared/visually) of the opposing sensor's default maximum range.
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October 3rd, 2019, 7:40 am

I sent a reply yesterday, but I was out of the office at a top-secret facility, and come to find out they filter all internet traffic in and out of the facility, even if it uses an external carrier, think about that one.

Just to be clear with everyone, if two air targets are next to each other on all axes, then yes the Blackfish will more likely then not be seen first. But the way the AI searches for air targets is very random, so the odds of finding one vehicle over another is, very random. The Blackfish does have one very big disadvantage over to other air vehicles, in that it is very unlikely to be able to lose the AI.

Looking at the AI code, if you are in a faster plane then the AI, then there are two ways to quickly lose them. First, is to change your altitude by more than 1.5k, second is to change your position to be more than 60 degrees from the nose of the AI. If you are a slower vehicle, your only real hope is to have someone else shoot that the AI.

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October 3rd, 2019, 8:16 am

VileAce wrote:
October 3rd, 2019, 7:40 am
I sent a reply yesterday, but I was out of the office at a top-secret facility, and come to find out they filter all internet traffic in and out of the facility, even if it uses an external carrier, think about that one.
Well, that's food for thought! Though here I did find an interesting thing, most of the local PD's here have jammers around them, I noticed that the key to my car doesn't always work properly when I'm around 20 - 50 meters away from a PD.
VileAce wrote:
October 3rd, 2019, 7:40 am
Just to be clear with everyone, if two air targets are next to each other on all axes, then yes the Blackfish will more likely then not be seen first. But the way the AI searches for air targets is very random, so the odds of finding one vehicle over another is, very random. The Blackfish does have one very big disadvantage over to other air vehicles, in that it is very unlikely to be able to lose the AI.
Well, I did say "practically" though from the technical side it is a bit less possible, but you'll realise that if a blackfish is up (Speaking from experience here) you must be sure that your CAP is close and ready to engage everything, as I can assure you, I've learned to dodge rockets from all angles with a blackfish, including from below, or even above! And the angel wing flares (Probably another reference to the C-130) certainly help surviving, but, you will run out of them incredibly fast.
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October 3rd, 2019, 7:40 am
Looking at the AI code, if you are in a faster plane then the AI, then there are two ways to quickly lose them. First, is to change your altitude by more than 1.5k, second is to change your position to be more than 60 degrees from the nose of the AI. If you are a slower vehicle, your only real hope is to have someone else shoot that the AI.
Not gonna lie, I'd say that this should be fixed somewhere as reference for all the pilots, I didn't know that and always had one only way of "losing" an AI CAP. Turn around and shoot it down before it gets to you.

I did notice an interesting fact though, if you use terrain to your advantage, you do have a small chance of losing a Gryphon, and I'm not sure if it's just an ilusion that I had, or if it's actually a thing but I noticed that if you keep very low and quick flight through mountains you eventually lose it despite being much smaller and appearent. Once again, I don't know if it's my own feeling, or if it's actually a thing. (In a V-44X Blackfish)
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October 3rd, 2019, 10:53 am

VileAce wrote:
October 3rd, 2019, 7:40 am
I sent a reply yesterday, but I was out of the office at a top-secret facility, and come to find out they filter all internet traffic in and out of the facility, even if it uses an external carrier, think about that one.
Usually in prison they just take away your phone. Guess that this works even better :lol:
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October 3rd, 2019, 5:28 pm

Wave wrote:
October 3rd, 2019, 10:53 am
VileAce wrote:
October 3rd, 2019, 7:40 am
I sent a reply yesterday, but I was out of the office at a top-secret facility, and come to find out they filter all internet traffic in and out of the facility, even if it uses an external carrier, think about that one.
Usually in prison they just take away your phone. Guess that this works even better :lol:
Damn Wave!!! Control yourself!!!

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October 4th, 2019, 2:59 am

Lorenzo wrote:
October 3rd, 2019, 5:28 pm
Damn Wave!!! Control yourself!!!
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October 4th, 2019, 9:35 pm

VileAce wrote:
October 2nd, 2019, 8:21 am
How is the Blackfish the earliest to see? How does the blackfish radar signature differ from the other air vehicles, excluding stealth variants.
Heres a quote from the wiki:

Lastly, the Blackfish's extremely large dimensions make it undisputedly the worst when it comes to remaining hidden from electronic sensors. With an extremely high base RCS rating, it can be detected on radar at 180% (160% on infrared/visually) of the opposing sensor's default maximum range.

So going from the wiki a Shikra on active radar will have a radar range of 13km. Against the Blackfish however it will be able to see it from 23.4km away. For reference thats the distance from main Infantry base to the town Negades, just to the North of Kavala. Or to state it another way, if you are in the center of the map a Shikra can spot you anywhere on the map. So yeah its a BIG target.

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October 5th, 2019, 2:09 am

I think there is still a misunderstanding, the way the AI searches is 'random', therefore even if it could be seen at that distance if the AI finds another target first, based on its scanning of the space, then the fact that it could be seen does not matter.

There is never a guarantee that it will be the first target selected. My comments where in reply to the statement "enemy air will always prioritize it (the Blackfish) over all other air targets" this is not the case. Yes, the Blackfish becomes a valid target at larger distances, but as long as there are two valid targets in the AI's scanning range, either vehicle could be chosen, in fact, there is more of a chance that it will target the nearest vehicle.

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October 9th, 2019, 8:19 am

VileAce wrote:
October 5th, 2019, 2:09 am
I think there is still a misunderstanding, the way the AI searches is 'random', therefore even if it could be seen at that distance if the AI finds another target first, based on its scanning of the space, then the fact that it could be seen does not matter.

There is never a guarantee that it will be the first target selected. My comments where in reply to the statement "enemy air will always prioritize it (the Blackfish) over all other air targets" this is not the case. Yes, the Blackfish becomes a valid target at larger distances, but as long as there are two valid targets in the AI's scanning range, either vehicle could be chosen, in fact, there is more of a chance that it will target the nearest vehicle.
Oh, for sure, I understand your point, I just wanted to make it clear that under the "usual" conditions (With lots of uncontrolled variables) the blackfish will most likely become a target.
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